A challenge to debate...

Joel Albers,

I would be willing to debate you on point #2 and concerning your support for the Marty legislation.
You are wrong on both points.

We could hold debates across Minnesota so people would have a better idea of what is involved in health care reform.

We could have a debate on these two issues once a month in a different city in Minnesota until the 2012 elections.

I extend this challenge to you or anyone selse upporting Obama's "Health Insurance and Pharmaceutical Industry Bailout and Profit Maximization Act of 2010;" nothing in this legislation is a "good first step."

As you are fully aware, but refuse to acknowledge, we had a very good Co-op health care program for workers in this country; it was operated by the International Workers Order which was designated by Attorney General Robert Kennedy as a "Communist Party front organization;" all of its assets were seized and distributed to for-profit insurance companies which the Kennedy family had major financial holdings in, and many of its officers and members were jailed and blacklisted.

Since David Shove has brought forward similar FBI/United States Department of (In)Injustice witch-hunts in point 1 of his Progressive Calendar, this aspect of the issue becomes even more important to discuss.

I have repeatedly challenged you anarchists along with Minnesota State Senator John Marty and the Green Party shills for the Minnesota Democratic Farmer-Labor Party and the Minnesota Universal Health Care Coalition of which you are a part--- an organization whose leaders have stooped to the most disgusting red-baiting in the past--- to state exactly how much this scheme (and scam) brought forward by Senator John Marty as a gimmick for his unsussessful gubenatorial campaign is going to cost us in premiums--- come on, Mr. Albers, have the courage to debate me across Minnesota and tell audiences exactly what they can expect to pay for premiums EVERY MONTH under this Minnesota Health Plan of John Marty's that you support.

At a time of massive unemployment that entails widespread poverty with people being foreclosed on and evicted from their homes not even being able to afford to pay the heating bills from last year yet let alone the mortgage payments ,and wondering from day-to-day how they are going to feed their familiers as your great  Obama  cuts the food stamp program as he expands two very costly, immoral, unjust, illegal and unconstitutional wars to occupy Iraq and Afghanistan while maintaining over 800 U.S. military bases across the globe protecting Wall Street's interests but can't find the funds to finance a National Public Health Care System providing the American people with world-class health care through 30,000 community health care centers with 800 more advanced health care bases providing support all for free at a substantially reduced cost than what everyone is now paying to private insurance companies in monthly premiums. In fact, if need be, a special tax could be imposed upon the rich and corporate profits; or, we could just forego arguing with the rich and finance the entire system the way we finance Social Security and the share workers would pay would be much less than what they presently pay into Social Security--- not the exobitant price tag the premiums of your phony schemes (and scams) would impose on working class families. The last thing working class families need--- or can afford--- is one more bill for health care premiums. Come on Mr. Albers, tell us what this scheme is going to cost each Minnesotan.

We all know you won't publicly tell us what this is going to cost each of us because the public would immediately reject Senator Marty''s proposed legislation.

I find it quite interesting that you anarchists will go out and toss bricks through bank windows and consider this a "fight" but you don't have the courage to stand up for the kind of health care reforms that are really needed in this country nor do you have the moral or political courage to defend your views in a public debate sitting side-by-side someone who is willing to respond to your lies.

Your co-op scheme for health care is nothing but the dream fairy-tales come from and your support for this Minnesota Health Care scam brought forward by Minnesota State Senator John Marty as a mere campaign gimmick without even providing the true costs to Minnesotans is nothing short of political fraud.

John Marty canceled his events unveiling his Minnesota Health Act after I announced I would be present to ask "How much will the monthly premiums be."

You, too, run scared from this csame hallenge. Just like your anarchist friends toss urine-filled condoms at cops for no reason using people marching for peace and real health care reform as your "sheilds." 

Also, let us not forget that H.R. 676 is now dead... dead just like the jobs killed by Obama's wars and its human victims in Iraq and Afghanistan after John Conyers sold us out on H.R. 676 and the impeachment and prosecutions of Bush and Cheney to save his own hide after Karl Rove threatened to send him to prison for the rest of his life for his involvement in taking corporate bribes... charges to which his wife plead guilty in a plea bargain that allowed Conyers not to face prosecution.

Alan L. Maki

2.our critique of the 2010 federal legislation, messaging, and why
> the Co-op Health Care section of Obamacare and its generous funding
> is a good first step for MN.
>
> 3.state health care reform discussion.

Quoting David Shove <shove001@tc.umn.edu>:
>              P R O G R E S S I V E   C A L E N D A R   12.06.10
> 4. uhcan-mn          12.06 7:30pm
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> From: Joel Albers <joel@uhcan-mn.org>
> Subject: uhcan-mn 12.06 7:30pm
>
> Next UHCAN-MN mtg is monday Dec 6, 7:30pm, Walker Church, 3104
> 16th ave S., mpls (near Bloomingtom ave and lake Street), lower level.
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> 1.Reportbacks: Artists Health Fair Tabling Nov 6; Trinity Health
> Fair Nov 14
>     cholesterol tests/presentation.
>
> 2.our critique of the 2010 federal legislation, messaging, and why
> the Co-op Health Care section of Obamacare and its generous funding
> is a good first step for MN.
>
> 3.state health care reform discussion.
>
> additional items for the agenda ?
> come for the coffee/tea, snacks, stay for the conversation,
>
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