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Alan Maki

Alan Maki
Doing research at the LBJ Library in Austin, Texas

It's time to claim our Peace Dividend

It's time to claim our Peace Dividend

We need to beat swords into plowshares.

We need to beat swords into plowshares.

A program for real change...

http://peaceandsocialjustice.blogspot.com/2013/03/a-progressive-program-for-real-change.html


What we need is a "21st Century Full Employment Act for Peace and Prosperity" which would make it a mandatory requirement that the president and Congress attain and maintain full employment.


"Voting is easy and marginally useful, but it is a poor substitute for democracy, which requires direct action by concerned citizens"

- Ben Franklin

Let's talk...

Let's talk...

Saturday, December 18, 2010

Obama supporter Carl Davidson who supports Pol Pot says he doesn't think I am "playing with a full deck."

Obama supporter Carl Davidson who supports Pol Pot says he doesn't think I am "playing with a full deck."

  • 15 hours ago · 
  • Sally Robbins 
    Why not provide examples for each of your accusations? Can you explain the controversy over having Obama speak at that particular peace demonstration? I can't find one single other peace demonstration he spoke at leading me to believe he was posing, and being posed. Posed by who? Posed for what? Were you in any way involved in getting Obama to speak at that peace demonstration? If not who was? I am trying to find his speech at that particular peace demonstration on the web and can't locate it. Do you have a link or a copy?

    Does anyone else besides you consider Alan Maki an "ultraleft Browderite?" If so who? What water does he carry for the Tea Party?

    A lot of people in Minnesota are getting a good chuckle out of you calling Alan Maki an ultraleftist because all the Trotskyist and ultraleft organizations attack him all the time. His views are often published in union newspapers and newsletters. He backed Gore, Kerry and Clinton but admits he voted for Cynthia McKinney. After being accused of being a communist he was elected to the Democratic Party state central committee. Mark Dayton begged for his support for governor and it was all on television. Alan Maki spoke at several forums advising people to support Hillary Clinton. I now wish I had taken his advice to vote for Hillary instead of your advice to vote for Obama.

    I'm not sure that being called a Browderite is as demeaning as you make it out to be. You have made a name for yourself advocating for a new New Left when the old New Left failed without accomplishing anything near what Browder led Communists did. Have you forgotten the New Deal?
    5 hours ago · 
  • Carl Davidson 
    There was no controversy over Obama speaking Oct 2, 2002. He was largely unknown then, and we were looking for a backup speaker in case Jesse Jackson didn't show. I knew him, as I had worked on his first campaign when the New Party endorsed him. I knew he opposed going into Iraq, and that's what he did that day. Next year after the war began, we had him speak again at another rally, and he still opposed the war. His stand changed after he was elected to the US Senate and then visited Iraq. My position then was to drop him and back Kucinich, then Richardson, until they dropped out. Then Obama came out to the left of Hilary on Iraq, and clearly to the left of McCain, even though he was still not for 'out now'. We said to vote for him over McCain-Palin as a lesser evil, which was the proper thing to do.

    I have zero interest in wasting time with Maki, although I do discuss and debate extensively with others. Maki is what we call a troll and a crank, and not to be taken seriously. No rational person will debate him. He may sucker someone now and then, but I doubt he gets anyone to debate him a second time. Frankly, I don't think he's playing with a full deck.

Friday, December 17, 2010

Why does Ken Martin refuse to answer these questions if he wants to be the next MNDFL Chair:

      Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:42:07 -0500
      From: "Alan L. Maki"
      Reply-To: "Alan L. Maki"
      Subject: Questions about your positions
      To: ken@kenmartin.org

Mr. Ken Martin, candidate for MNDFL State Chair;

1. Do you support divestment from Israel?

2. What is your position regarding the 41,000 Minnesotans being forced to work in smoke-filled casinos at poverty wages without any rights under state or federal labor laws?

3. Do you support Mark Dayton's call for a state owned and operated casino to compete with the Indian Gaming Industry?

4. What do you intend to do to make sure Affirmative Action (as distinct from non-discrimination) is enforced in Minnesota?

5. Do you support socialized health care?

6. Are you for the repeal of "at-will hiring; at-will firing" legislation?

7. What specific steps would you take as the State Chair of the MNDFL to make sure Native American Indians are elected to the state legislature and become part of Minnesota's congressional delegation?

8. Could you provide me a copy of the redistricting plan you support for Minnesota?

Thanks,


Alan L. Maki
58891 County Road 13
Warroad, Minnesota 56763

Phone: 218-386-2432
Cell Phone: 651-587-5541

E-mail: amaki000@centurytel.net

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Guest blog: Millions Of Flood Victims In Pakistan Now Face Harsh Winter

Brian McAfee

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Muskegon Heights, Michigan 49444

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Millions Of Flood Victims In Pakistan Now Face Harsh Winter

 by Brian McAfee


As the monsoon floods receded the impact on the people of Pakistan, reports indicate, have been exacerbated by the onslaught of winter. The floods affected 20 million of Pakistan's population of just over 180 million people. As the temperature dips hundreds of thousands of displaced children are susceptible to pneumonia and other cold related diseases. According to Director of the National Institute of Child Health
(Pakistan) Professor Jamal Raza states that in winter the flood victims becoming ill from the cold, particularly children, could almost double. Many are living in non-winterized tents and there are shortages of dry firewood. Many of the flood ravaged areas from this years monsoon remain flooded and millions are still displaced. Many being farmers whose fields are still flooded and have no source of livelihood.  Of the children Professor Raza says it will be an uphill battle to save many of th children as they are malnourished, and have had a great deal of weight loss due to poor diet. Their immunity is very low and are susceptible to respiratory disease such as pneumonia as their immunity level is very low.  There is an urgent need for blankets, quilts and better shelter to fight the cold as well as the obvious nutritional and medical needs.

Reports out of Pakistan indicate another danger caused by the floods, the release of stored toxic chemicals into the flood waters. An article in www.newscientist.com reports that the floods releases  released an estimated 3000 tonnes of toxic chemicals into the environment. The chemicals known as persistent organic pollutants (POPs) include several insect repellants such as DDT do not biodegrade in nature and are said to be linked to hormonal, developmental and reproductive disorders according to an article in New Scientist. Pakistan's floods have awakened some nations and scientists to this ongoing threat as changes in weather patters become more evident.

Reputable  Relief organizations currently active in the relief effort in Pakistan include OXFAM www.oxfamamerica.org, AmeriCares www.americares.org, Save the Children www.savethechildren.org and
www.unrefugees.org,.

Please specify the donation is for Pakistan flood relief.

I welcome any comments or suggestions. I can be reached at brimac6@hotmail.com-Brian McAfee

Thursday, December 16, 2010

For the record...

Richard Trumka, the President of the AFL-CIO puts out statement after statement making up excuses for the pathetic Democrats he has pumped the money from working people to support.

Trumka arrogantly refuses to enter into any kind of dialog, discussion or debate--- his little public relations people try to call anyone who disagrees with him a "Republican."

Well here is something I have presented to Trumka and his little lackeys who challenged me to bring solutions to the table:

From:


Alan L. Maki 


To: 


Richard Trumka;





Union pension funds have helped to create 2,000,000 jobs in this country. Two-million jobs in the Indian Gaming Industry where casino workers are forced to work in loud, noisy, smoke-filled casinos at poverty wages and without any rights under state or federal labor laws all compliments of the Democratic Party which crafted the terms of the "Compacts" creating this industry managed and run by a bunch of mobsters who own all the slot machines and table games leaving already impoverished Native Americans even more poor on reservations only to be used as a pool of cheap labor employed under the most abominable and unhealthy working conditions.

The AFL-CIO leadership has supported every single Democratic Party politician--- and even many Republicans--- who have turned around just like Barack Obama and Congressman Collin Peterson--- and stabbed working people right through the heart and then when workers fall they take their knife and stab them in the back. Without a job, the only thing any working person has is a life of poverty; with a poverty wage job, the only thing a working person has is a life of poverty.

The working class is being bludgeoned to death in every way by Wall Street coupon clippers and it is going to take a lot more than a one day demonstration on Wall Street to turn this country around.

We now have over 3,700 mines, mills and factories sitting idle as these Wall Street coupon clippers find it more profitable to seek out cheap labor markets and cheap natural resources.

The United Electrical workers union (UE) has raised "eminent domain" as a solution.

Why shouldn't the AFL-CIO join UE and demand the use of eminent domain to re-open all of these mines, mills and factories--- the majority of which were heavily subsidized by tax-payers to begin with. What tax-payers finance and subsidize, tax-payers should own.

Right now these 3,700 mines, mills and factories are not operating at all and providing people with employment--- come on, really, can public ownership of these mines, mills and factories under worker management do any worse?

And for those who continue to try to bully and badger anyone with a left-wing viewpoint into silence by insinuating they must be a Republican, I say shame, shame shame... why do you find it necessary to try to prevent dialog, discussion and debate on these issues?

This thread started out as a result of Richard Trumka posting this article about how the insurance companies are ripping us off--- well, consider this: The AFL-CIO supported a Wall Street health insurance salesman to look after the concerns of working people, and what did we get?

We got the "Health Insurance and Pharmaceutical Industry Bailout and Profit Maximization Act of 2010," a Wall Street bailout that has plunged our Nation into debt and anyone knows that a Nation's debt is a Wall Street banker's profit; we have two wars raging in three countries and Richard Trumka refuses to ask working people the most important question of all: How is Barack Obama's war economy working for you? I think if Trumka would have the courage to ask this simple and fundamental question he would find that union members will tell him they have no use for these dirty wars that are killing our jobs just like they are killing people. In fact, these wars are making us all poor--- except for the Wall Street merchants of death and destruction who get rich from wars just like these greedy, money-grubbing Wall Street parasites are getting even richer off the national debt.

Azar, you ask me to place solutions on the table; I have filled your plate. For dessert, how about a National Public Health Care System that would provide good new jobs for 10,000,000 Americans providing free health care for everyone through 30,000 community health care centers? The price tag? Slightly less than what these dirty wars are costing us with enough left over to put another 5,000,000 unemployed people back to work staffing a national network of Public Child Care Centers.

Working people should shut this country down until these wars are stopped and that money being wasted is re-directed towards meeting the needs of the people.

Wednesday, December 15, 2010

A resolution/petition for peace...

Dear Peace-Wanting People,

Residents of Edgartown and Tisbury are introducing a peace-resolution at their spring town meetings. This is an invitation for you to do the same in West Tisbury, Oak Bluffs, Chilmark, and Aquinnah.

Just substitute your town's name for "Tisbury", print the resolution, and ask your selectmen to sponsor it. (Their signatures are likely all that are needed.)

Any questions? Call your selectmen, town moderator, 


(Start of petition)

Town of Tisbury, Massachusetts

Proposed Resolution:

This is a resolution by citizens of the Town of Tisbury to end the expenditure of our tax dollars presently being spent for excessive and unaffordable warfare.

Whereas,

1.the financial resources available for use by governments at the local, county, state, and federal levels in the United States are and must be limited, and

2.each man, women, and child in Massachusetts is currently paying, or becoming indebted for approximately $3,200 per year towards the U.S. defense budget (totaling $9,600/yr for a family of three), and

3.a substantial portion of this money funds warfare that creates great and unnecessary harm to the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, and to U.S. Military personnel and their families, and

4.education services, infrastructure repairs, other essential public services, and family and private-sector financing in Tisbury have been substantially reduced as a result of excessive military spending.

Now, therefore, be it resolved that the Town of Tisbury Massachusetts directs their Congressional Representative and Senators to oppose all future legislation brought before them that provides additional funding of U.S. warfare and occupation in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, and directs these Congressmen to take productive actions to terminate existing occupation and military operations, and to approve only those funds necessary for the safe and rapid withdrawal of all U.S. troops.

(End)

(This resolution is based upon information from:

www.bringourwardollarshome.org/language.html
 
It's estimated that MA has 6.6 million people, and they are paying $21 billion in taxes towards the annual defense budget.)
12/13/10

Do we get the government we vote for?


How often do you hear:




We are getting the government we vote for?




People didn't vote for this kind of "representation" by choice. 





Big money has purchased these politicians their seats. 





Plus, when people do try to free themselves from the big money influence within the Democratic Party they are subjected to all kinds of the most vile verbal abuse and ridicule, and often worse; and when they then go outside of the Democratic Party searching and organizing for solutions it becomes even worse. 





I am not a Ralph Nader fan... however, what Ralph Nader was and is subjected to for having the courage to begin searching for a way out of this two-party trap is a prime example. 





Another example of the disgusting and shameful behavior of these Democratic Party bigots and bullies is the way they set out to malign, slander and defame Cindy Sheehan--- as long as her attack was against George Bush her activities were approved by Democrats; when she took on those powerful Democrats that repeatedly join with the Republicans in their war-making she was targeted in the most vile and vicious manner. 





Then you have Cynthia McKinney who was a very loyal Democrat for decades; but, because she was just as loyal to trying to make peace and solving the problems of racism, unemployment and poverty she was drummed out of the Democratic Party in a most disgusting display of racism using the most sickening kind of racist patronization. 





The most disgusting bulling and badgering I have ever seen and personally experienced in my life has come from the Progressive Democrats of America and the "Progressives for Obama;" just nasty and vicious. 





Not to mention the unrelenting red-baiting campaign I was subjected to by the Chair and leadership of the Minnesota Democratic Farmer-Labor Party who took the most unusual and undemocratic steps to remove me from my elected position on the Minnesota Democratic Farmer-Labor Party's State Central Committee because I spoke out so vigorously in opposition to the Israeli killing machine and for a national public health care system funded by ending these dirty wars and taxing the hell out of the rich. These people announced at our precinct caucus meetings the place, time and the date of our Roseau County DFL Convention. Come the day of the convention where members of the State Central Committee are elected--- over 90 people are waiting in the cold for two hours for someone to open the door of the hall and for the 9 a.m. Convention to begin. At 11 a.m. the County Chair, Lee Soltis, pulls up and rolls down his window and says, "Oh, I am so sorry; I forgot to place a notice on the door that we changed the location. Oh well, nothing we can do about this now; about 15 of us held the County Convention. By; see you in two years." He rolled up his window and sped away.

Now, these are just a few examples of what people have to put up with.

But, here is an even better one---

At the Minnesota DFL State Convention where the nomination for Democratic candidate for governor took place, the State Chair, Brian Melendez, after weeks of calling Mark Dayton "crazy" for advocating "tax the rich to pay for public schools;" Melendez ordered the Sargent of Arms to throw Mark Dayton out of the Convention Hall! And if that wasn't bad enough, when Native American Indian and rank-and-file trade union activist, Greg Paquin, rose on the floor of the State Convention to place Mark Dayton's name in nomination before the convention delegates with over two-hundred delegates enthusiastically rising to second Dayton's nomination, Melendez ruled Dayton's nomination "out of order."

Well, Dayton went on to win the Primary Election over ten other candidates and he is now the new Governor of Minnesota. How many people would have subjected themselves to such an ordeal to get elected to public office? Not many.

We have a very corrupt and undemocratic political system in this country; in spite of all the boasts from some of the most corrupt and undemocratic politicians that we are the most democratic country in the world where anyone can grow up to become president... Oh, did I mention anything about how Barack Obama got elected by turning himself into the complete opposite of what he really is to get elected?

I would strongly disagree with the premise that we voted for what we are getting. If we got what we voted for we would have peace not these dirty wars in three countries with 15 million people unemployed; 90 million people living in poverty and millions without access to health care.





Something to think about this evening around the dinner table,





Alan L. Maki

Monday, December 13, 2010

No Labels

"No Labels" a new threat to democracy

A dangerous new fascist development: "No Labels" holding a founding conference today:

"No Labels" is having a live "launch" conference right now:

http://nolabels.org/get-involved/no-labels-launch-live-webcast/

This is an emerging fascist movement for sure.

Danger ahead !!!!!!!!!

Saturday, December 11, 2010

George Lakoff and "Don't Think of an Elephant!"

It is always difficult to say what someone else's motivation is. I don't think George Lakoff has ever been motivated by a desire for progressive change. He makes a lot of money working to keep people trapped in the Democratic Party. Now, this doesn't mean he doesn't have some really good ideas that people can't use as they struggle for real progressive change based on real progressive values... but, it does mean we have to use his advice to INCLUDE specific progressive solutions to our problems. It also means that we have to understand that for real change to take place we have to develop organizations capable of bringing about progressive change--- to Lakoff's credit he only claims to be a linguist interested in framing discussion, dialog and debate. Can we use his ideas to turn the tables on Obama and the Democrats who are evading real solutions to our problems? I think so. I use Lakoff's book all the time when teaching people to write letters to the editor, leaflets and newsletters. I do find it extremely interesting that George Soros claims to have learned a lot from Lakoff and I got this article off of Tom Hayden's website; Hayden is the primary leader of the "Progressives for Obama" the group that has brought the art of evading specific solutions and movement building to new levels--- and, for what purpose? To hoodwink us all into supporting Obama.

Several years ago I was in a rather large discussion group that included some state legislators and labor leaders who gathered for the sole purpose of discussing "Don't Think of an Elephant!" I provided my thinking on this and almost everyone in the room challenged me. So, I opened the book to page 92 and read. After I was done there must have been 15 people trying to talk and "explain" what Lakoff meant by this statement.

I responded by simply saying, "George Lakoff is a most highly regarded linguist. He is an expert in his field. I assume this is why we have all come together for six sessions to discuss this important book and its ideas. Now, understanding that Lakoff is a brilliant communicator do you really expect me to believe that Lakoff has written something here that he didn't mean?" At which point the Democratic Party hack who had brought us all together went ballistic (some present accused me of making him go "postal"). Obviously the intent was to bring people together to "teach" them not to talk about solutions to problems because according to Lakoff this is when you lose elections.

This is the main conclusion for this book and the PRIMARY lesson Lakoff wants us to "learn."

It is right there... the opening paragraph under "Policy Directions" on page 92 in the final chapter (Chapter 8-What Unites Progressives).

And Lakoff cautions against getting "militant."

Well; when do people get militant? When they get fed up because very specific problems they are having are not being solved. And here we have the great "progressive linguist" advising not to bring forward specific solutions to problems. Why? Because you probably won't get elected. Translated: You won't get the big bucks from Wall Street.

As a worker I find Lakoff to be the epitome of middle class arrogance. His book was intended just for use in the kind of discussion groups I was a part of. It offends me to no end that someone who is well-heeled as a result of advising the Democratic Party and creeps like Obama how to win would expect me and working people to forgo solving our problems so that some worthless opportunist can get elected to do what Obama has done and we are supposed to accept this as "progressive." The very word "progressive" implies that people-friendly solutions will be found to problems. I hardly call anything we have been subjected to by Obama and the Democrats over the past two years as having been "people friendly."

So. how could Lakoff ever have meant for these tactics to be used "in the service of progress?"

I gave Lakoff the benefit of the doubt so I wrote him with the very concerns I am expressing here. He actually called me. He called me to tell me that he couldn't answer my question because I wasn't one of his clients--- in other words, I wasn't paying him to answer me.

I would like to have George Lakoff answer my concerns right here on FaceBook for everyone to see. Let him explain why he helps Democrats get elected by evading explaining what they are going to do to solve our problems. In fact, Lakoff doesn't doesn't want our problems solved because he makes money taking advantage of our problems.

With this said, I encourage everyone to pay close attention to what George Lakoff writes for two reasons:

1. To learn how to frame the debate/s.

2. To learn how you are going to get screwed by the very politicians--- like Obama--- who are going to have you thinking they are on your side when nothing could be further from the truth because the problems of working people are just like our national debt: The Nation's debt is the Wall Street Bankers' profits. Just like Wall Street coupon clippers reap their biggest windfalls in profits off the backs of working people whose problems are Wall Street's profits... if you don't believe me at least think about it. Who profits from paying workers poverty wages instead of real living wages? Who profits from a huge pool of unemployed? Who profits from wars that kill jobs just like they kill people?

Isn't it nice to know that the Democrats have been so well trained to make us think they are going to solve our problems when George Lakoff has trained them not to even think about solving our problems?

Thursday, December 9, 2010

Anti-communist bigot Rick Mons asked me questions... when I responded he had me banned from e-democracy because he didn't approve of my answers!

Tuesday, December 7, 2010

About Paul Krugman

First; Krugman has always been fronting for Hillary Clinton, he is an ardent Hillary supporter, so I'm not surprised his analysis never goes much towards liberalism than what Hillary would... to me it looks pretty obvious Krugman is fronting for Hillary knowing that Obama is likely a one-term President. Krugman is not going to prepare the political soil for someone the stature of a George McGovern--- an honest progressive nor for a true liberal. It's not only Krugman, but he is kind of the leader of this grouping that wants to assure the election of Roosevelt without a Frances Perkins, Henry Wallace and Harry Hopkins... most importantly without a huge, angry people's movement that is militant and organized for real change... the Krugman crowd is carefull not to help create another governor someplace like a Floyd B. Olson who might rise to challenge Hillary after a first term.

On the Social Security tax and Medicare taxes being regressive. I kind of consider any tax that isn't an income tax as regressive; but, it really is too much to expect that working people would have thee universal programs in this kind of system without "self-financing" them, isn't it?

We could have a National Public Health Care System without any fees or charges for less than what the Social Security tax is; paid for just like Social Security... wouldn't this be a lot better for most people who cannot afford high premiums and out of pocket payments for health care? an't we look upon these insurance premiums as a more regressive tax?

Here is the way I look at it, maybe I am wrong, but we live in the wealthiest country in the world (or at least a country where a very few people at the top have complete control over the life of our country by virtue of owning the means of production where working people produce this wealth); the richest country any way you look at it so we should bring forward demands for universal social programs like with health care, child care, good public transportation--- all pretty much for free and advocate that these things be paid for by ending the wars and slashing military spending and taxing the rich--- the real filthy rich--- and corporate profits, after all the most progressive tax is placed closest to wealth creation... but, we should always leave the option of people self-financing these things so in the course of struggles for these things people themselves can decide how they want to go forward once it is clear the concepts and ideas for such programs gain widespread public support.

We most likely wouldn't have Social Security today if Frances Perkins would have continued to insist on a progressive system of financing it as she originally had. And people seemed willing to settle for this "regressive" payroll tax. People also "settle" for the most regressive tax of all for funding public schools--- the property tax which hits working people the hardest and continues hitting them even harder as this recession/depression deepens.

Let's have a broad discussion about all of this; a discussion Paul Krugman and his middle class intellectuals will never initiate since it looks like we will more than likely see some kind of challenge to Obama in the upcoming Primary.

If someone would buy me a Greyhound ticket I would ride the dog from city to city the next two years challenging Obama's ideas myself; maybe I should consider walking :)

Alan

About Wiki-leaks and Assange

The release of this kind of information is important.
But it is coming from Assange, a fascist creep.
The American people should be demanding the release of these files and a whole lot more. We need to see the complete joint FBI-CIA report they call "The Family Jewels" so we know how the American people have been played for fools and suckers.
We shouldn't have to rely on a sleazy fascist bastard like Assange for information.
The time has come to open up all the FBI and CIA files none of which involves the security of this country... what it is in these files is a national embarrassment with politicians and corporations working hand-in-hand to undermine democracy established by the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Assange now claims to have such scandalous documents in his possession that governments will fall if the information is released. He says the documents and files will be released if he is killed or arrested. What he really means is that he will sell this information to the highest bidder. Any progressive would release the information not indulge in these kinds of blackmail schemes for which fascists are known.

Monday, December 6, 2010

A challenge to debate...

Joel Albers,

I would be willing to debate you on point #2 and concerning your support for the Marty legislation.
You are wrong on both points.

We could hold debates across Minnesota so people would have a better idea of what is involved in health care reform.

We could have a debate on these two issues once a month in a different city in Minnesota until the 2012 elections.

I extend this challenge to you or anyone selse upporting Obama's "Health Insurance and Pharmaceutical Industry Bailout and Profit Maximization Act of 2010;" nothing in this legislation is a "good first step."

As you are fully aware, but refuse to acknowledge, we had a very good Co-op health care program for workers in this country; it was operated by the International Workers Order which was designated by Attorney General Robert Kennedy as a "Communist Party front organization;" all of its assets were seized and distributed to for-profit insurance companies which the Kennedy family had major financial holdings in, and many of its officers and members were jailed and blacklisted.

Since David Shove has brought forward similar FBI/United States Department of (In)Injustice witch-hunts in point 1 of his Progressive Calendar, this aspect of the issue becomes even more important to discuss.

I have repeatedly challenged you anarchists along with Minnesota State Senator John Marty and the Green Party shills for the Minnesota Democratic Farmer-Labor Party and the Minnesota Universal Health Care Coalition of which you are a part--- an organization whose leaders have stooped to the most disgusting red-baiting in the past--- to state exactly how much this scheme (and scam) brought forward by Senator John Marty as a gimmick for his unsussessful gubenatorial campaign is going to cost us in premiums--- come on, Mr. Albers, have the courage to debate me across Minnesota and tell audiences exactly what they can expect to pay for premiums EVERY MONTH under this Minnesota Health Plan of John Marty's that you support.

At a time of massive unemployment that entails widespread poverty with people being foreclosed on and evicted from their homes not even being able to afford to pay the heating bills from last year yet let alone the mortgage payments ,and wondering from day-to-day how they are going to feed their familiers as your great  Obama  cuts the food stamp program as he expands two very costly, immoral, unjust, illegal and unconstitutional wars to occupy Iraq and Afghanistan while maintaining over 800 U.S. military bases across the globe protecting Wall Street's interests but can't find the funds to finance a National Public Health Care System providing the American people with world-class health care through 30,000 community health care centers with 800 more advanced health care bases providing support all for free at a substantially reduced cost than what everyone is now paying to private insurance companies in monthly premiums. In fact, if need be, a special tax could be imposed upon the rich and corporate profits; or, we could just forego arguing with the rich and finance the entire system the way we finance Social Security and the share workers would pay would be much less than what they presently pay into Social Security--- not the exobitant price tag the premiums of your phony schemes (and scams) would impose on working class families. The last thing working class families need--- or can afford--- is one more bill for health care premiums. Come on Mr. Albers, tell us what this scheme is going to cost each Minnesotan.

We all know you won't publicly tell us what this is going to cost each of us because the public would immediately reject Senator Marty''s proposed legislation.

I find it quite interesting that you anarchists will go out and toss bricks through bank windows and consider this a "fight" but you don't have the courage to stand up for the kind of health care reforms that are really needed in this country nor do you have the moral or political courage to defend your views in a public debate sitting side-by-side someone who is willing to respond to your lies.

Your co-op scheme for health care is nothing but the dream fairy-tales come from and your support for this Minnesota Health Care scam brought forward by Minnesota State Senator John Marty as a mere campaign gimmick without even providing the true costs to Minnesotans is nothing short of political fraud.

John Marty canceled his events unveiling his Minnesota Health Act after I announced I would be present to ask "How much will the monthly premiums be."

You, too, run scared from this csame hallenge. Just like your anarchist friends toss urine-filled condoms at cops for no reason using people marching for peace and real health care reform as your "sheilds." 

Also, let us not forget that H.R. 676 is now dead... dead just like the jobs killed by Obama's wars and its human victims in Iraq and Afghanistan after John Conyers sold us out on H.R. 676 and the impeachment and prosecutions of Bush and Cheney to save his own hide after Karl Rove threatened to send him to prison for the rest of his life for his involvement in taking corporate bribes... charges to which his wife plead guilty in a plea bargain that allowed Conyers not to face prosecution.

Alan L. Maki

2.our critique of the 2010 federal legislation, messaging, and why
> the Co-op Health Care section of Obamacare and its generous funding
> is a good first step for MN.
>
> 3.state health care reform discussion.

Quoting David Shove <shove001@tc.umn.edu>:
>              P R O G R E S S I V E   C A L E N D A R   12.06.10
> 4. uhcan-mn          12.06 7:30pm
> --------4 of 4--------
>
> From: Joel Albers <joel@uhcan-mn.org>
> Subject: uhcan-mn 12.06 7:30pm
>
> Next UHCAN-MN mtg is monday Dec 6, 7:30pm, Walker Church, 3104
> 16th ave S., mpls (near Bloomingtom ave and lake Street), lower level.
>
> 1.Reportbacks: Artists Health Fair Tabling Nov 6; Trinity Health
> Fair Nov 14
>     cholesterol tests/presentation.
>
> 2.our critique of the 2010 federal legislation, messaging, and why
> the Co-op Health Care section of Obamacare and its generous funding
> is a good first step for MN.
>
> 3.state health care reform discussion.
>
> additional items for the agenda ?
> come for the coffee/tea, snacks, stay for the conversation,
>
>
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